In reference to Badfiction’s and Paralegal’s discussion of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands.
http://obamacrimes.com/?p=413&cpage=1#comment-20993
Badfiction posts:
Patrick McKinnion says:
January 7, 2010 at 10:06 pm
From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) website at:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
“Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
If the DOH does not have a birth certificate on file for any of your parents or grandparents, you must obtain a “no-record certification.”
A “no-record certification” tells Department of Hawaiian Home Lands staff that the DOH searched its files and cannot find the records requested. At a minimum, the DHHL asks that applicants produce certified copies of birth certificates, certificates of Hawaiian birth, or no-record certifications for the following people:
Yourself (if your present legal name differs from the name listed on your birth certificate, you must also submit a marriage certificate, a divorce decree, or a legal name change decree to account for this difference);
Your natural father;
Your natural mother;
Your natural father’s parents;
Your natural mother’s parents;
and
Your natural great-grandparents if applicable (submit these if your grandparents were born after the 1920s)
***IMPORTANT***
(1) Birth certificates of adopted individuals must be cleared through family court. Please ask DHHL staff for assistance.
(2) Out-of-state and foreign birth records [i.e. FS-240 (“Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America”), DS-1350 (“Certification of Report of Birth”), etc.] must be accompanied by notarized affidavits from the biological parents.”
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Paralegal sent the pamphlet to me last night for uploading. Note, start at page 8. Everyone, take notice of the difference between the website Patrick from Badfiction posted vs. the pamphlet.
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It is still the case, however, that the Department of Hawaiian Homelands is about giving land to “native” Hawaiians. The certificate serves a genealogical purpose that you don’t need in order to prove that someone is a citizen. Obama is a citizen despite the fact that his dad was Kenyan and his mother was white. Because of those facts, however, he is not a “native” Hawaiian – defined as someone who is 50% Hawaiian. If, in 2000 (the copyright date per the last page), this Department required a certificate as opposed to the certification, that is why.
See also page 19 and their question, “Why do I have to submit more documents than my brother (or sister) who already has an award?” In some cases, not even a long-form birth certificate is enough! Actually, according to page 4 of the brochure, in no case is a birth certificate enough, you need the birth certificates of yourself, and your mother and father! Surely you don’t intend to suggest that we need Barack Obama Sr.’s and Stanley Ann Dunham’s birth certificates as well to determine if Obama is eligible for the Presidency!
What, exactly, do you think the birth certificate is going to tell you that will prove that Obama is ineligible?
Hawaiian law does not allow a certification to incorrectly state the place of birth. It must reflect the actual place of birth. As shown on the factcheck.org website, the COLB is signed on the back with the signature of Alvin Onaka stating that it is a “true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of Health.”
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
He could not have said that if the long form said Obama was born in Kenya and the COLB said he was born in Honolulu. The director of the Department of Health has also confirmed that she personally has verified that the birthplace on record matches that on the COLB?
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Greg,
If a Certification of Live Birth is not sufficient to prove heritage with the Hawaiian DHHL Office, why should a computer image of a Certification of Live Birth which fails to show even the hospital born in, when all know since 1955, foreign birth’s could be registered in Hawaii, and in order to do so, you only had to have one person, which could be anyone state the child was born in Hawaii, be sufficient to satisfy our questions into Soetoro/Obama’s citizenship status?
What was Stanley Ann’s character? Answer, who knows. Did Stanley Ann ever lie? Answer, probably. People are people, and guess what Greg, people do lie.
No Certification can say someone was born in Honolulu if they were born in Kenya. They can’t say someone was born in Honolulu if they were born in Iowa. They can’t say someone was born in Honolulu if they were born Maui.
If the Certification says they were born in Honolulu, that is an attestation that they were born in Honolulu.
That’s what Alvin Onaka meant when he signed the back stating that it was a “true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii Department of Health.”
Also, you know, now, that the booklet you are looking at was published 10 years ago, and since then, the DHHL has changed their requirements. So, can you quit stating that the Certification is not sufficient to prove heritage?
Finally, you do realize that the DHHL has to prove that someone is Hawaiian? Knowing that Stanley Ann is white doesn’t impact on Obama’s citizenship. It does have an impact on whether he is Hawaiian. That’s why the Hawaiian DHHL asked for THREE birth certificates in 2000, not just ONE!
Should we require Obama to submit THREE birth certificates to prove his citizenship?
ps – Should Obama send a copy of his COLB to everyone in the nation, or just those who doubt his citizenship?
Greg,
Now here is what you can do, meet me for coffee and you show me the hard copy of Soetoro/Obama’s COLB and show me where those seals are, okay? Because, based on your statements, I know you have seen the original hard copy of Soetoro/Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, right?
Better yet, the next time you are asked for your birth certificate by a Governmental Agency, why not just email them a image of your birth certificate. See if they are willing to accept the image.
No, I haven’t seen it. I’m just not easily convinced by conspiracy theories. Alvin Onaka is a real person. He really is the registrar in Hawaii. If someone put a copy of MY signature online in a PRESIDENTIAL race, I think I’d go back and check to see if I had really signed that document. The governor of Hawaii is a Republican. She appointed the Director of the Department of Health. You’d think one of them would raise a stink if a bogus document purporting to be from their agency got on the web.
There was none of that. Instead, we have a statement from the director stating she’s looked at the vital records, and, yes, Obama was born in hawaii.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, para. Saying that Obama, Onaka, the governor and director are hiding something in a billion dollar presidential campaign is an extraordinary claim.
Here’s the photographs, paralegal…
You expect Barack Obama to send every single voter a certified copy of his birth certificate? Let me ask you, are you going to pay the $2 billion dollars that it would take to do this? If it’s $10 a copy, and the voting age population is 231,229,588, that’s a total of about $2,312,295,880. That’s not including the $101,741,018.72 that he’d have to spend on postage alone to deliver it.
Now, if you want to see photographs of his (which is all you can reasonably expect), you can go here to see them:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
Just replace the 1 in that address with any number between 1-9.
You can see the raised seal clearly on photos 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, and 8… It’s also on Photo 3, but not that easy to see (I can see it there, but it’s much less visible)…
Those are images that could have been manufactured by anyone, nothing more, where is the original? He can’t produce it because he doesn’t have it!
it’s a fake i’ve worked in the gov within the military and i was the 25M for the entire brigade, if you look just above the image 3 of the certificate you can see the error of the document forge, the box pattern is cut off where they tried to mask the text into the document it was rookie mistake by a person being rushed or just not that good at his job.
There is NO raised seal in photo 3 (birth_certificate_3.jpg). It is not in the shadow of the arm. It fails to be detected by any various means of software detection.
Also, this photo was definitely taken at Obama’s Chicago Headquaters. The carpet is the same, the open landscape furniture is the same and the chair in the background is the same as in numerous photos of the Chicago headquarters. The EXIF data indicates the photo was taken March 12, 2008. The time stamp says between 10 and 11 p.m. Given the darkness of the background and the lack of people in the background that is probably correct.
You know, a single birth certificate is also not sufficient for the Daughters of the American Revolution. They require a full genealogical tree tracing your ancestry back to the Revolution. Should we require that of Presidential aspirants?
I’m compelled to wonder if you have never heard the phrase “apples and oranges.”
Look at the booklet. Do you see ANYTHING in there that suggests they don’t accept the Certification because they doubt its ACCURACY as to place of birth?
No – in 2000, they preferred the Birth Certificate so that they could verify ETHNICITY – which is NOT a condition of citizenship!
Greg,
I am really disappointed in you. A young Attorney, who has to twist and spin everything said instead of just properly addressing the issues.
If HI’s Gov’t Agencies do not accept a Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of anything – why should we as people who question Soetoro/Obama’s citizenship status be satisfied with a image of a document that fails to even show a hospital name?
Who’s twisting? Let’s count the twists in your last post:
1) It’s agency. Singular!
2) They now accept the certification. In 2000, ten years ago, they PREFERRED another document.
3) They didn’t not accept it for “anything” they didn’t accept it to prove ETHNICITY.
Greg,
“1) It’s agency. Singular!” You sure? Have you checked or is this another blank statement?
“2) They now accept the certification. In 2000, ten years ago, they PREFERRED another document.” HI scrambled and changed the requirements mid 2009, after we brought the issues regarding the DHHL and Soetoro/Obama out and filed it in Court.
3) They didn’t not accept it for “anything” they didn’t accept it to prove ETHNICITY.” Exactly Greg, which is far less than proving Constitutional Eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
Actually, Paralegal…
1. The agency didn’t care about citizenship. This birth certificate wasn’t to prove citizenship. It was to prove that you were at least 50% Native Hawaiian. Unless you’re claiming that Obama is descended from Native Hawaiians, then he wouldn’t need it. There is nowhere in your claim does it claim that they’re proving citizenship. And in fact, you can be a Native Hawaiian without being a Citizen. Now, are you claiming that you have to be a certain hertiage to be POTUS? I don’t think you’ll get very far with that. Just as you can be a citizen without being a Native Hawaiian.
2. You’re claiming that you have to prove Ethnicity in order to prove Citizenship? You’re certifiably insane.
duntsvangeet,
Now you are simply copying other poster’s statements. Can’t you argue your position on your own? The DHHL booklet was to show what was required to prove Hawaiian Heritage, which are far less important than proving the constitutional eligibility of our United States President. If a Certification of Live Birth is not enough for the DHHL to prove heritage, then you tell me why “we as American People” are required to accept an online image of a Certification of Live Birth, which anybody could have manufactured and placed on the internet for factcheck.org, which also fails to even show a hospital, doctor, etc. as proof of Soetoro/Obama’s Constitutional Eligibility to serve as United States President. We should not be required nor are we.
Soetoro/Obama is not a “natural born” United States and may not even be a United States Citizen at all and that is why he had to resort to an image of a document instead of hard copies of Certified Documents proving his citizenship status. Soetoro/Obama won’t produce any hard documents because he can’t.
My birth certificate doesn’t show a hospital name. My birth certificate doesn’t show the doctor’s name. The hospital I was born at is now the world headquarters for Adidas. Tell me, would you be satisfied if I showed you my birth certificate for proving my place of birth?
And state and federal officials are actually satisfied with Barack Obama’s birth certificate through the Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. Constitution. You are starting to sound like the holocaust deniers who are never satisfied with any sort of evidence that the holocaust actually did happen.
So, tell me. Will you guys raise a stink when I run for the Presidency when I turn 35? Should I start saving up the $2 billion dollars required to get every voter a birth certificate? Or will you just not accept it anyways, and I shouldn’t even bother?
dunstvangeet,
You have a “vault version” (long version) birth certificate and if the Government or anyone else stated they needed to see it, you would comply. Unlike Soetoro/Obama, who only has an online image of a Certification of Live Birth, which has been severely questioned as to the legitimacy.
@Paralegal
Don’t let these obama voters get to you. They clearly have a bias and do not want the truth to come out.
Keep fighting because the truth must come out. Ohbummer is hiding things and the American people need to know who their president really is. If he wanted to lay these claims to rest he could have easily done that by now. The foreign occupier must go and you guys have my full support, as well as the support of many millions of other Americans.
Thank you “h”. I appreciate it. Mr. Berg and I thought it was good to allow differing opinions because folks out there may not be aware of the issues involved. This way if someone didn’t agree, based on lack of knowledge, it gave us the opportunity explain the issues involved. However, you are right, there are those who do not agree, they forget we have the absolute right to ask the questions and we have the absolute right for redress. These few then do nothing more than confuse the issue, especially the lawyers, as they realize the general person does not have the knowledge and/or understanding of the issues involved in litigation.
And, in regards to your statement above, it could very well be that these folks attempting to just discredit our questions, are afraid of the truth.
I will not give up. Our moderators and Administrators who take care of the site, when they see that the posts begin to cross the line or the posts are just harassment type to confuse and “harass” those of us who are questioning Soetoro/Obama, they send their posts to moderation, ban them, etc.
I guess the Soetoro/Obama supporters feel that the Constitution and laws to protect American’s are only for them. It is a true shame!
Thank you again “h”. Have a great weekend.
You can ask all the questions that you want. It doesn’t mean that they’re valid questions. Just as you have the right to claim that the sun revolves around the earth, it doesn’t mean that you’re right.
The fact is that Barack Obama has proved his citizenship beyond any reasonable doubt.
No dunstvangeet, Soetoro/Obama has not proven anything. He has posted an image and claimed it to be his Certification of Live Birth, he claims he was born in Hawaii, he and his sister state that Soetoro/Obama was born in two (2) separate hospitals in Hawaii (I’m not sure how you are born twice, but it is Soetoro/Obama we are talking about).
Proves nothing.
dunstvangeet says:
January 9, 2010 at 1:16 pm
“The fact is that Barack Obama has proved his citizenship beyond any reasonable doubt.”
This naivety, so proudly declared ; this utter falsehood so boldly stated, “today” shall haunt you
dunstvangeet says:
January 9, 2010 at 1:16 pm:
“The fact is that Barack Obama has proved his citizenship beyond any reasonable doubt.”
B.O Jr has proven nothing. What he has done regarding his “citizenship” ,in a public forum; is declare that his (t)his status was GOVERNED by the British Nationality Act 1948 Most importantly he claims a NON-immigrant , foreigner as his father which disqualifies newborn in question for Article II natural born citizenship status- therefore making said child/adult ineligible for POTUS
The Founders/Framers crafted the Constitution’s Pres Elg Clause after having settled on a strong chief exec for the new nation . A powerful, virtually unchecked(sans the restraints placed upon other elected officials) “head honcho”, magistrate and Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces must have this avenue to foreign influence and attachment “shut up”
dunstvangeet….I am not a lawyer, but judging by your post, you are either an idiot or a fool. Either way, you should keep your thoughts to yourself…unless you want the world to know of your legal impotence.
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I and other Americans, many of whom voted for Obama, are sickened by the country’s direction under his leadership.
We believe criminal fraud is being committed against the American people by Obama in collusion with the Saudi controlled mainstream media including the FOX Network.
Everyone except Obama has been blamed for the disgusting decline of our country since he took office. However, Bush has not been president for almost a year and though many of the members of the House and Senate have been in office for decades. at no time have they even attempted to pass such anti-American legislation as has been forced upon the American public during obama’s first year in office.
Voting offending legislators out of office is an excellent idea, but removing them without removing the treasonous and fraudulently elected President at the top will be a waste of votes.
If we are to save our country, we must demand that our elected representatives and the obviously corrupt Supreme Court take immediate action to suspend Obama from the Presidency pending receipt of verifiable proof of his eligibility to serve as U.S. President. No matter where he was born, he is not a natural born citizen due to not having been born to parents both of whom were American citizens at the time of his birth.
Furthermore, his birth certificate is only one of many documents being concealed from the American public. We not only have no verified documentation of his birth, we also have:
no passports, (The one individual who saw Obama’s passport was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head. The death was declared a suicide without investigation)
no college records,
no medical records,
no law school records,
no law license records,
no State Senate records,
no campaign contributor records,
no Harvard law review copies listing him as editor,
no Harvard college records,
no Univ. of Chicago records,
no U.S. Senate records, or others records not yet known to be pertinent.
We know NOTHING about this man and daily he proves himself to be a traitor, an enemy agent, or a simple boob. And we are tiring of the ridiculous media hype and silly online publications such as the fraudulent birth document published on his campaign site.
I challenge anyone who supports this unknown who has faked his way into the Oval office to read his books. Try to find anything of substance in either. Turn off the TV and read. Read between the lines. Read the corrupt media hype then research it. Research your so called facts. Learn the truth.
Our country is at stake.
Right on jai! The American people are either stupid or just don’t care. Barry has destroyed the American way of life, our Economy, and everything else he gets his hands on. He has taken over this Country with-out firing a shot! His avowed Muslem Beleifs are the same as Bin Ladens, with the same intent, Destroy America from with-in! Take from the Rich and give to the Poor? I don’t think so. Why are people Homeless?, because they want to be! People unemployed aren’t looking for jobs because they’re getting Gov’t unemployment money, some Retired, some have enough money so they can wait it out. Lay Off’s are getting less in numbers, not because Barry has created job’s, but there aren’t that many people left to Lay Off. I drive a Hummer, yeah a big one, try taking it and giving it to some one else. I’m Retired, try and take my money so some low life who doesn’t want to work and lives on Gov’t subsidies, hasen’t got the guts to get off his A__ and help himself will have a better Life courtesey of me. Ain’t happnen Folks! Barry won’t show his records for one reason. We will know the whole story. If that should happen the whole Democratic Party will colapse, the Gov’t and the Military. Who will take over? There will be a fight between the two Parties to gain control, more so than now. The Military will have to declare Marshal Law and there will be Roiting nation wide, looting and who knows what else. Rather stand up and fight now, or run and hide and let someone else do it for you. Suffer now or wait and suffer over a period of time so it hurts worse longer. It’s all in the Documents people, find those and you find the Truth. Find those and we can correct what has been done. Wait to long and the American people will fall into complaitency and apathy again. Those who need the Gov’t to take care of them, for lack of self-releince etc. will gladly wait for You to do the work for them. I seem to recall the word’s “We The People”, I know I read that some where once.
Re: “You have a “vault version” (long version) birth certificate and if the Government or anyone else stated they needed to see it, you would comply.”
You could only comply if the state that issued the birth certificate was willing to send you a copy of the “vault version.” We know that in Hawaii, it sends out only the new, official short-form Certification (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
That is Hawaii’s decision, not Obama’s, and since Hawaii is under a Republican governor, I wonder why it has made that decision. Still, it has repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the Certification are confirmed by the facts in the files that show that Obama was born in Hawaii. In the latest statement, the Director of the department said:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
In the previous statement, the spokeswoman for the department said:
Quotes:
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”
The COLB itself is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by ALL the departments in Hawaii (including DHHL) and accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department.
Re: “he and his sister state that Soetoro/Obama was born in two (2) separate hospitals in Hawaii (I’m not sure how you are born twice, but it is Soetoro/Obama we are talking about).”
His sister was misquoted. It was an error made by the press. Big deal.
Let me point out a few things:
1) No one is asking Obama to mail a birth certificate to everyone in the country, or anything like that. If he would submit two or three copies, in court, to a judge, plaintiffs, and attorneys (like Philip Berg), that would be suffficient. It would be made public. (Besides that, the way Obama spends money that isn’t his, 2 billion dollars wouldn’t even be a drop in the bucket.)
2) ‘Place of birth’ is a factual matter, not a legal matter. It doesn’t matter what any government agency (of the US, Hawaii, or anywhere else) accepts or doesn’t accept. There exists a ‘vault’, original, full, certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate, in Hawaii. That is what Philip Berg, and others, are seeking in court. That is also what Obama has spent 2 million dollars of American taxpayers’ money to hide, and that is also what he ’sealed’ by Executive Order, the minute he got into the Oval Office. Why is he doing this? Every American has the right to see that document, and has ’standing’ in court, to demand it. Barack Obama is an illegal alien, born in Kenya, and the judges who have ruled in his favor are co-conspirators in his treason.
How can we keep ‘illegal aliens’ from coming into this country, when we can’t even keep them out of the White House?
Raging Bull
You can lie on a Birth Certificate. Mine reads Legitament. I was born seven months before my Parents were Married–according to their Marriage License—and my Mothers stament to me before she died. It also lists my Fathers employment at the time if birth. This is from Minnesota’ documents.My Father was nearly full blood Ojibwa, but listed as White.
Barry claims he’s Black, but he is Mulato. I guess Black gets more sympathy with the people. He only carried the Urban Metropolitan areas,ie, low income, housing projects, and slum areas, check the records. I identify myself as American Indian– note the American first, not the other way around as other Ethnic groups do. As it goes right now, he can use the “African” American term, or is “Indonesean” American. Only time will tell.
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thanks for responding to the disinformation provided by badfiction and for putting up with the juvenile sophistry of greg….he sounds like a teenager finagling a car from his parents for a roadtrip that will end in a deep ditch and they know it….
soetoro is a pawn for the oligarchs who need a compromised compliant toady to carry out their wishes….soetoro’s birth parents were involved deeply in intelligece work as was their son…his trip to pakistan c. 1982 is further proof of that claim and evidence of indonesian citizenship…
the u of chicago relationship is highly indicative of rockefeller tutelage and i am not speaking of academics…
all of soetoro’s life documents are under lock and key because they are badly incriminating of his many lies…
the bottom line is that all of this discussion could be vanquished in an instant with the production of a birth certificate….it does not exist anywhere period – unless there is one in the making in a basement in langley virginia….
Tony Thank you. It is a shame that Soetoro/Obama won’t just settle the issues. I know why he won’t, and everyone here is right, it is because he CAN’T!
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Seems to me, if all of these allegations are true, that Republicans would be all over this and pursuing this with all the vigor (and media) they could muster. I do not believe that the American system could be so easily fooled. Nor would the opponents of any person running for any office, (not even mayor of the smallest town USA) not capitalize on the major requisite of citizenship. The media would have a hay-day with this if it were the truth. Sorry, enough of my time wasted on frivolous internet hype. Have a great day and MAY GOD BLESS THE USA.