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ObamaCrimes Response to BadFiction’s The Indonesian Citizenship Myth – Part 3
In response to badfictions “The Indonesian Citizenship Myth – Part 3, badfictions makes the following statements, which I again, I completely disagree with. So, I will again respond accordingly.
Badfiction states “In either case, anything that affected Stanley Ann Dunham’s citizenship after Barack Obama was born would not change Barack Obama’s citizenship.”
Not so, as I have disputed in Part 1 and Part 2, I will again dispute here as well. Section 318 of the Nationality Act of 1940 revised 1952 does nothing but talk about a child’s expatriation as a result of their parents actions.
As said time and time again by us, we believe that Soetoro/Obama was legally acknowledged and/or adopted by Lolo Soetoro. As stated in my previous post, which I have pasted below.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
Moreover, the Indonesian School Record shows the name of the child as “Barry Soetoro”; Citizenship: Indonesia; and Parent: Lolo Soetoro, M.A. The Soetoro Divorce shows the parties of the marriage having two (2) children, one under the age of eighteen (18) and one over the age of eighteen (18) (Soetoro/Obama) who was a full time student. See divorce papers below. In divorces, you do not name a child as the child of the parents, like in the Soetoro Divorce, unless the child is legally the child of the divorcing parents. In otherwords, if Lolo Soetoro was only a step-parent with no legal ties to Soetoro/Obama, then Soetoro/Obama would have never been named in the Soetoro Divorce.
Article 4 of The Hague Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws, 1930 says “a state may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also posses”. What this means is Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and therefore neither did the United States. Under Indonesia law, once Soetoro/Obama became an Indonesian State Citizen by virtue of adoption and/or legal acknowledgment by Lolo Soetoro, he (Soetoro/Obama) could not lose that status without relinquishing his citizenship in writing, under oath. If he did that, the government of Indonesia would have those records. If he did not do so by age 21, Obama is to this day still considered an Indonesian citizen by that country. His place of birth or the nationality of his mother is irrelevant; Indonesian law takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention on 1930.
Next, badfiction states “2) Records in the Honolulu newspapers at the time announcing the birth” However, what is left out here is private investigators went out to the resident in the newspaper announcements, only to learn that Barack Obama, Sr.; Stanley Ann Dunhum; nor infant Soetoro/Obama ever resided at the address. In addition, anyone can call in a birth announcement, anyone. No one has been able to verify exactly who it was that called in the birth Announcements of Soetoro/Obama.
Badfiction again addresses the Indonesian School record, In fact, badfiction says “3) The Indonesian School Record that the birthers cite as proof of Indonesian Citizenship, Adoption, and Religion, ALSO gives a birthplace of Honolulu, Hawaii. If they accept that document as Prima Facie evidence in other matters, then logically they should also accept it for birthplace as well”
However, I have stated many times, once Soetoro/Obama acquired his Indonesian citizenship it did not matter where he was born. However, I would like to further my statement. As said many times, we believe and it appears that Soetoro/Obama was in fact born in Kenya and his birth was registered by a family member in Hawaii, thus he obtained a “Certification of Live Birth”. So it would seem that was the reason, Soetoro/Obama’s birth was listed as “Hawaii” on the Indonesian School Record. In addition, Stanley Ann Dunham may have told Lolo Soetoro that Soetoro/Obama was born in Hawaii, the birth place of the child was not checked by the Indonesian Government, only the name and citizenship status to ensure the child’s name matched that of his father, and his citizenship status was Indonesian. Again, Lolo Soetoro, M.A. was listed as the parent of Barry Soetoro on the Indonesian School Record.
Now, badfiction raises the issue of the interview with Sarah Obama, Soetoro/Obama’s grandmother. We received the tape of the conversation and the translation of the Interview with the phone records from Bishop Ron McRae, as well as Affidavits from Bishop Ron McRae and as noted in the affidavits Brother Kweli Shuhudia, who conducted the actual interview. There is no reason Bishop Ron McRae would not tell the truth and we have not been given any reason to doubt him I undesrstand badfiction obtained the audio and transcript from other locations, however, I am disturbed at the fact that the link is NOT of the transcript provided to us and we have NO idea who the person is that transcribed the one on the scribd link nor what audio was used for the transcription. This is concerning because it is not honest for anyone to state that this “supposed” translation on scribd is of the actual audio of the telephone interview. The scribd link referred to by badfiction is based on speculative statements of the supposed “translator” used in the document and again we do not know what audio was used. The audio says otherwise. The person this scribd linked document has as “Ogombe” is actually another grandson of Sarah Obama, of course this was left out. In the audio after Sarah Obama said yes that Soetoro/Obama was born in Kenya and she was present for the birth, there is scuffling in the tape and you can NOT hear what is being said, nor can you understand it. Next, Sarah Obama’s grandson who is helping with the interview translation states “no no no Obama born in America” there is other statements made by this grandson that are very difficult to hear. It was NOT Sarah Obama making those statements and the “shock” was due to the fact that Sarah Obama told Bishop Ron McRae of Soetoro/Obama’s real birth place in Kenya. That is why Bishop Ron McRae stated when he went out to Kenya in December he wanted to meet with Sarah Obama and see the birth place of Soetoro/Obama. You may also recall, after this interview, police were stationed at Sarah Obama’s house and no one was allowed to interview her.
Badfiction next assumes when I mention the registration of birth in Hawaii that I am talking about Hawaii Statute §338-17.8. Badfiction is correct in what that statute states, he is in wrong in his assumptions. §338-17.8 is a 1982 Revision and does not apply to Soetoro/Obama’s registration. The law that applied at the time of Soetoro/Obama’s registration of Birth in Hawaii is the 1955 Laws, Chapter 57 “Vital Statistics”, Section §57-8 Compulsory registration of births; §57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate. These sections are outlined below.
“§ 57-8 Compulsory registration of births”
“Within the time prescribed by the board, a certificate of every birth shall be filed with the local registrar of the district in which the birth occurred, by the physician, midwife or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents. [R.L. 1945, s. 3100.09; add. L. 1949, c. 327, s.9.]
And
“§57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate.”
“(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.”
“(b) The board shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall nto be considered as “delayed” or “altered.” [R.L. 1945, s. 3100.10; add. L. 1949, c. 327, s. 10.]
I have asked our webmaster to post the above laws. As you can see from the laws that apply to Soetoro/Obama’s registration of birth; if the birth was not attended by a Physician or Midwife, the parents or anyone having knowledge of the birth, are who fills out the birth certificate or supplies the information to the registrar who in turn fills out the birth certificate. This means a child could have been born anywhere, and the parent only has to claim the child was born in Hawaii. In addition pursuant to §57-18 a person’s birth can be registered up to a year after the actual birth. See also Part II. Certificates of Hawaiian Birth, §57-40 Issuance; procedure.
A poster on the blog who goes by the name “Greg” also stated that Soetoro/Obama’s name was never changed because Hawaii never recognized it, that Hawaii was aware that they lost a citizen (Soetor/Obama) in 1967 however that citizen returned in 1971 (I’m not quoting him word for word, just summarizing his statement). However, my rebutal was how would Hawaii have known Soetoro/Obama left and how would Hawaii know when that child returned, if he returned. In addition, others stated that if Soetor/Obama was in fact legally acknowledged and/or adopted Hawaii would have been aware of it. I disagreed with them and said not necessarily. Pursuant to the 1955 statutes, Chapter 57, §57-23 Adoptions, it sates:
“§57-23 Adoptions”
“(a) In case of the adoption of any person born int he Territory, the bureau of public health statistics, upon receipt of a properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the board, shall prepare a supplemental certificate in the name of the adopted person…”
As you can see, if the legal acknowledgment or adoption which took place in Indonesia was never submitted to Hawaii, Hawaii would never know about it.
Now, badfiction next states that Hawaiian statute §338-20.5 mandates that the true or probable country of birth must be stated and shall be known as the place of birth and the date of birth. Badfiction then states that §338-20.5 is statute enacted in 1982. Note to the readers, §338-20.5 was enacted 21 years after Soetoro/Obama’s birth. Badfiction then states “The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth and then says this law was passed in 1979, amended in 1990. Yes badfiction, it is a 1979 statute amended in 1990 and a 1982 statute, not applicable to Soetoro/Obama’s birth or registration which took place in 1961. I do not see in the statute anywhere that it is retroactive, thus it is inapplicable to Soetoro/Obama. The Hawaiian statutes of 1955 are what is applicable to Soetoro/Obama.
Badfiction then states “So there is no evidence that the State of Hawaii would issue certificates to people born out of state before HRS §338-17.8 was passed.” Yes there is badfiction, see the 1955 Hawaiian Laws above.
Next is the issue of Maya’s birth being registered in the State of Hawaii and a Certification of Live Birth being issued by Hawaii. Just like Soetoro/Obama, if this is the case the Hawaiian Laws of 1955 would apply as Maya Soetoro was born in 1970, so all the parent has to do is state the child was born in Hawaii. But, badfiction claims this came from “techdude”. Not so badfiction. See “The Obama File” at http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm. It states”
“Obama’s half-sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro, was born on August 15, 1970, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Anna registered her birth as “born in Honolulu” shortly after her birth, as well. Maya would have a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB), just like the one Obama posted on the Internet.”
“Maya would also attend the private Punahou School.”
“It was Maya, who has said that Obama was legally adopted by her father, Lolo Soetoro, and Maya also said, ‘There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.’”
The Obama File at http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm also states:
“Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources. If Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama at age five or younger, then Obama would automatically have become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child aged five or younger adopted by an Indonesian father is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.”
“According to Indonesian legal experts, only Indonesian citizens could attend state-operated public schools.”
And
“‘The Indonesian Citizenship Law states that children’s citizenship is derived solely from the citizenship of the father. Children of citizen mothers and foreign fathers are considered foreigners and require visas to remain in the country until the age of 18, at which time they may apply for citizenship. They are prohibited from attending public schools and must attend private, international schools, which usually are more expensive.’” and credits this information to the U.S. State Department.
You can also find this information in The Obama Timeline by Don Fredrick located at http://www.colony14.net/id41.html or in his book sold at Amazon and located at http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Timeline-Birth-Through-Office/dp/1440150737/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250692911&sr=1-3
Lets see what else badfiction has to say. Badfiction next goes into the Department of Home Lands (DHHL). I raised this issue and we filed the information supplied by the DHHL in the Hollister case early 2009. A copy of the DHHL book we used when citing the information in the Hollister is located on our website at http://obamacrimes.com/?p=419 “Obama Crimes responds to BadFiction – Part 2a. The only reason we raised this issue was because DHHL stated in the booklet:
““In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.” [emphasis added]
“When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Vital Records Section of DOH, let the clerk know you are requesting it “For DHHL Purposes,” and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification. If mailing in your request form, please fill in “For DHHL Purposes” in the “Reason for Requesting a Certified Copy” section. (See example on page 6.)” [emphasis added]
Badfiction is attempting to argue that the DHHL only pertains to heritage. My point is and was if the Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth is not sufficient to prove Hawaiian Heritage, then why should “we the people” accept an image of a Certification of Live Birth as constitutional eligibility to serve as United States President? We should not. However, Badfiction goes on and on about the DHHL and other statutes enacted in 1982, missing the entire point of our arguments. It should be noted, after we filed the references to the DHHL booklet in the Hollister Case, Hawaii rushed and amended its requirements to buy lands in Hawaii on or about June 2009.
Badfiction then states “Hague Convention of 1930, Article 1 “It is for each State to determine under its own law who are its nationals” Therefore, US law would be used to determine US citizenship.” Wrong again, Soetoro/Obama lost all U.S. citizenship status when he became a citizen of Indonesia, thus Indonesia Law takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930, see above also.
Badfiction for the third times states “Second off, Chapter 13 states that all citizens have a right to an education. It doesn’t say anywhere that non-citizens are prohibited from one.” So badfiction, for the third time I too will reiterate the Indonesian Constitution which you are using was revised in 1989, so it is not the genuine Indonesian Constitution of 1945, next as you point out the Indonesian Constitution states ALL CITIZENS, It does not say every child, it does not mention non citizens, etc.
Next, badfiction cites “the book (jstor.org) “New Indonesian Marriage Law: A Mirror of Indonesia’s Political, Cultural, and Legal Systems,” by June and Ronald Katz” and badfiction states Islamic law rules. WRONG. Badfiction then uses laws revised in 1974, which I do not see where these laws are retroactive and thus do not apply to Soetoro/Obama. However, the unfortunate part is what badfiction has posted as their response confuses the readers. Nice attempt badfiction.
Badfiction again goes into Indonesian Law versus U.S. Law. Badfiction states “Nor could Indonesia step in or interfere with the laws of the United States, since Obama was a natural-born citizen of the United States under US law. Again, the Hague Convention of 1930 also states that “It is for each State to determine under its own law who are its nationals.” and “Any question as to whether a person possesses the nationality of a particular State shall be determined in accordance with the law of that State”. However, badfiction is missing the point, missing the facts and confusing the laws. In fact, badfiction has it all backwards. As I stated above:
“Article 4 of The Hague Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws, 1930 says “a state may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also posses”. What this means is Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and therefore neither did the United States. Under Indonesia law, once Soetoro/Obama became an Indonesian State Citizen by virtue of adoption and/or legal acknowledgment by Lolo Soetoro, he (Soetoro/Obama) could not lose that status without relinquishing his citizenship in writing, under oath. If he did that, the government of Indonesia would have those records. If he did not do so by age 21, Obama is to this day still considered an Indonesian citizen by that country. His place of birth or the nationality of his mother is irrelevant; Indonesian law takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.”
Badfiction also raises the issues regarding a legal “acknowledgment” which we claim was signed by Lolo Soetoro acknowledging Soetoro/Obama as his birth son or adopted Soetoro/Obama. Badfiction seems to think that only biological father’s acknowledge their children and then cites the Asian law digests that talk about the Indonesian laws pertaining to a legal acknowledgment signed by an Indonesian citizen father and a foreign mother, in this case regarding the legal acknowledgment, the foreign mother would be Stanley Ann. In fact badfiction goes on to state “Barack Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham were married. Therefore, this would not apply. The context seems to be talking about the biological father acknowledging paternity anyway, not a stepfather.” The fact that Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann were at one time married doesn’t matter. We are unsure whether Soetoro/Obama was actually adopted or if a legal acknowledgment was signed. If Lolo Soetoro signed a legal acknowledgment then he is telling the Indonesian Government that he is the biological father of Soetoro/Obama, so badfictions arguments fail. A lot of men who are not the biological father of children have signed legal acknowledgment forms claiming the child as their biological child. Regardless, the Indonesian laws regarding an Indonesian Citizen male acknowledging a child pertains to Lolo Soetoro if Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Soetoro/Obama instead of adopting him.
In my last response (The Indonesian Citizenship Myth – Part 2), I stated “Interesting enough, next badfiction attempts to use the filings in the Strunk Case in D.C. He cites out what the U.S. DOJ states in their court filing. It is important to note, the document that badfiction linked to is nothing more than “Affirmative Defenses” and “General Denials” which is common practice in all civil litigation.”
Badfictions response to me on this part three is “True. However, I will point out that under that practice, the agency in question has to affirm if they hold the information in question in their records. To cite Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, III (Pleadings and Motions), Rule 11: (cornell.edu)”
I must point out, in the Strunk Case where he references the Governments Answer of the lawsuit on behalf of Soetoro/Obama, the Government does NOT say they affirm that they hold any documents. Badfiction points out regarding the above rule that the agency would be required to do so, but again, they have not. Also, please note, several posters who disagree with us continue to say that with the Strunk case, the United States State Department admits in their filing that Soetoro/Obama is in fact a U.S. Citizen. This is NOT true, the State Department has never said any such thing and they certainly have NOT filed anything in any of the court cases. Badfiction then goes into the Federal Rule regarding the requirements of affirmative defenses and answers. The attorney who prepares the general denials and the affirmative defenses can do so based on what they have been told by their client. Unfortunately, clients don’t always tell the truth.
Badfiction again brings up the Indonesian school record, claiming it does not prove anything except what was provided to the Indonesian public school. Not so badfiction, your statement is completely wrong.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education) – ** it does not say all children are entitled to an education, it specifies “all citizens” **. The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Badfiction then says that I should not read things into what he is saying. I can only take what you say badfiction at face value. Below I posted what I stated in our response to badfiction in the Indonsian Citizenship Myth – Part 2
My response:
“It just gets better. Badfiction now states that the Indonesia school record is considered prima facie evidence. He then states it does not prove citizenship. I beg to differ badfiction, what does the front of the document say? Yes, it says child’s name is Barry Soetoro; citizenship status: Indonesian; Father, Lolo Soetoro, M.A.
Now what exactly is prima facie evidence? Prima Facie evidence is a latin legal term which means Evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish the fact in question. prima facie is used in modern legal English to signify that on first examination, a matter appears to be self-evident from the facts. A prima-facie case is a lawsuit that alleges facts adequate to prove the underlying conduct supporting the cause of action and thereby prevail. After the Plaintiff has established a prima facie case, the burden of production shifts to the Defendant, in this case Soetoro/Obama. A plaintiff can also establish a prima facie case by “offering evidence adequate to create an inference”. Most legal proceedings require a prima facie case to exist, following which proceedings may then commence to test it, and create a ruling.
Badfiction is incorrect, the Indonesian School Record is prima facie evidence all right, but not just the fact Soetoro/Obama attended the Indonesia School, which Soetoro/Obama admits. It is also prima facia evidence of Soetoro/Obama’s name; citizenship status; and father’s name which indicates either a legal acknowledgment or adoption.” End of my response to badfiction in “The Indonesian Citizenship Myth – Part 2.
You see badfiction, you stated that the Indonesian School Record on its face is prima facie evidence. I responded accordingly stating that if the document itself is prima facie evidence, everything on that document is prima facie evidence and I stand by it. If that is not what you meant, then that is a different story.
Badfiction goes on to say “I do understand why “paralegal” – and Berg – are so strongly defending their theory on this. Much of their claims – even down to the “Soetoro” name – are based on the Indonesian citizenship claim. Not only their claims, but those birthers who have borrowed/stolen Berg’s arguments (such as Dr. Orly Taitz, and Stephen Pidgeon, since much of their original cases are word-for-word copies of Berg’s claims)” My response to badfiction is Thank you.
In all fairness to badfiction, reading of the Laws is interpretation. When you work in law, you understand and you look to see how the Court’s previously interpreted the laws you are questioning. This is why we also have Appellate Courts and the United States Supreme Courts. It gets even more difficult when you are dealing with other Countries laws as well. But badfiction, we worked with an Indonesian Law Firm to assist us with the Indonesian Laws. In addition, we do not speak the language in Indonesia, so we had to rely on the Indonesian Law Firm to translate the Laws into English to ensure we understood them.
I too appreciate badfiction’s courtesy in our debate over the issues. However, contrary to what badfiction believes, we have proven our case!
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Re: “we believe that Soetoro/Obama was legally acknowledged and/or adopted by Lolo Soetoro. ”
But you have no evidence for it.
Re: “Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen.”
But both the US State Department and the Indonesian government have said that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia. One reason for this is probably because Soetoro never “acknowledged” Obama as his son. One reason for that being that Obama was not his son.
How do you explain the divorce papers?
Smrsstrauss,
Not only, like “Nuts” stated, how do you explain the divorce papers, but also the Indonesian School record which has Lolo Soetoro, M.A. as the parent, the child’s name is listed as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesia Citizen. What do you have to offset these things?
Ignoring that the school record is hearsay at least three times removed, the document offsets itself by listing Honolulu as Obama’s place of birth.
The school document was verified by Inside Edition. You are just spamming at this point and consider yourself warned.
What in the divorce papers demands a response? No adoption is mentioned anywhere in them, and the court itself never even acknowledges Obama’s existence. He is mentioned only in the complaint filed by Stanley.
In Family Law, children of a marriage are only listed in a divorce.
The school records clearly acknowledge that Barry was the son of Lolo and an Indonesian citizen. It would also be nice to do a quick check to see what passport Obama used when he traveled to Pakistan in his twenties.
Re: “Moreover, the Indonesian School Record shows the name of the child as “Barry Soetoro”; Citizenship: Indonesia; and Parent: Lolo Soetoro, M.A.”
That is an unsigned document in which the parents lied to get the child into that particular school. Do parents lie from time to time to get their children into school? Of course they do.
Also, both the US State Department and the Indonesian government have said that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
People, On a rare occasion when I watched Oprah in October 2007 obama was on the show for an hour. During that hour Oprah said “You should run for president” obama answered “I’m not ready yet”. We now know that was a set up as he was already running. Back to my point. On that show obama said he HAS duel citizenship with Indonesia and I thought you can’t run for President if you have duel citizenship so even Oprah knows obama is not there legally. You can lie about a lot of things and obama sure does that and those who have been paying attention know that but when you get a surprise question and need to answer quickly you can let the truth slip out.
Also, one big question if obama is President legally why has he spent almost $900,000+ stopping any of his papers from being released? This money is from his campaign funds (can he legally spend campaign money for this). Why was his wife disbarred.
Ask the guy he ran for senator against he’ll tell you he’s not a natural born citizen. It was brought up in that race and dismissed because he wasn’t running for President. The Democrats who know about this should be in jail.
Berg is correct and the truth will come out. There are too many cases for it not to.
lausdeo,
That is interesting because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Thank you for sharing the information with us.
That’s the point at the time obama and his mother were in Indonesia there wasn’t duel citizenship but obama had duel citizenship in 2007. At least that’s what he said so he must have had or has duel citizenship since it is now permitted.
Can you point us to the particular show you claim he made those comments? A link? A video? A transcript?
All I remember is it was in October 2007 There was transcript on Oprah’s website but no video and what was there was only what they wanted out. A lot of his comments were left out. Oprah is on the socialist side she really likes Europe way of life in Copenhagen so any slips he made were cut out.
If he stated on Oprah he had dual citizenship can anyone anywhere on the internet find the video of that? Do you know of this or any other website that list “pending” cases to know the status of each case?….or are cases now “closed”? I hate being thought of as someone wearing a tin hat but like so many others who secretly question the shadowing smoke and mirrors effect surrounding the simple questioning of something that should be made transparent to all Americans “to their satisfaction” regarding their sitting President, I cannot let it go either because I just question above all else why his college transcripts, and other important documents are not made available to the public at large. Ann Coulter, a lawyer, herself, has dismissed the issue stating that if there was anything to it that surely Hillary Clinton would have jumped right on it. Bill O’Reilly stated his crew saw “the document” in question and deemed it authentic, thus he was satisfied there was no question that Obama was a citizen. Mockery is made of “where is Obama’s birth certificate?” because we should be satisfied with the short form BC on FactCheck.com. I wonder if a Polk City Directory can be found in the library in Hawaii and how it lists the family members during those years.
MOSTLY, THE QUESTION HAUNTING ME MOST IS THIS:
Why in over a well publicized year of debating this issue with all the controversy over this issue has there been absolutely no “commenter” on any blog, who will claim “I was a nurse, doctor, employee, etc. at that hospital during that time, or I was born the same week in the same hospital as the POTUS? Are there no Republican’s, no voters remorse people in Hawaii that can do the leg work needed to debunk, or authenticate these claims?
….AND WHY ARE HIS IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS NOT MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE?
Surely if Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii, there has to be a doctor in the hospital records that will verify delivery of the future President of the U.S.A. Also, who paid the medical bills for the birth of Obama in the Hawaiian hospital. Was there insurance? Also, why isn’t Nancy Pelosi held accountable for presenting 2 different documents to the States confirming Obama as the Nominee of the Democratic Party? There appears to be a deliberate cover up! Please respond to my e-mail address. Thank you. Raymond Becerra
Smrsstrauss,
What proof do you have that the parents lied? You stated “Also, both the US State Department and the Indonesian government have said that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.” Smrsstrauss, the State Department has NEVER made such statement. In addition, you spoke to some clerk in an office somewhere, that was not present in the late 60’s, early 70’s, did not have the Gov’t file, etc. The person made a blind statement over the phone to you, based on your explanation, which says the person did not have any type of personal knowledge regarding the events surrounding Soetoro/Obama.
Just like your statements that the parents lied to get Soetoro/Obama into an Indonesia public school, which were checked weekly by law enforcement and immigration officials. As stated several times, all public school records regarding name and citizenship status of the minor were verified with the Indonesian Gov’t. All you keep saying is the parents lied, well if they lied, prove it. We have proof of the information, and there is no reason to believe anyone lied. Again, the information was verified.
WOULD A PARENT LIE OR MORE SPECIFICALLY, IN THIS CASE, WOULD GRANDMA LIE? AS IN MAD DUNHAM, TO HAWAII STATE AUTHORITIES TO INSURE THAT HER GRANDSON REAP ALL THE REWARDS/RIGHTS/PRIVLEGES OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP- WHEN SHE MADE A STATEMENT VOUCHING FOR THE HAWAIIAN BIRTH OF B.O. Jr SO AS TO PROCURE THE NOW VAUNTED “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” CITED AS PROOF POSITIVE BY OBOTS OBSCURANTISTS AND A LARGELY IGNORANT GENERAL POPULACE- THAT “THE ANOINTED ONE” CAME INTO THIS WORLD ON U.S. SOIL
Re: “what is left out here is private investigators went out to the resident in the newspaper announcements, only to learn that Barack Obama, Sr.; Stanley Ann Dunhum; nor infant Soetoro/Obama ever resided at the adddress.”
Big deal. For legal purposes the couple put down the only permanent address they had a the time, the parent’s address. After the birth, they went to live somewhere else.
The point is that the notices was sent out by the government of Hawaii for births in Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii. The notices proved that Obama was born at the date on the certification, so there could not be any form of delayed or Hawaiian birth certificate (which required substantial delays). And Hawaii did not allow a foreign birth to be filed in Hawaii in 1961. The official in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor’s administration, have twice confirmed the facts on Obama’s published Certification of Live Birth (which is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii and accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department).
In the latest comment from the officials in Hawaii, the director of the Department of Health said:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
In the previous comment, the spokeswoman for the department told the Chicago Tribune’s Web site:
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Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.” (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html)
End quotes
And there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 because she wrote about a birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html)
Smrsstrauss,
Wrong, the parents lived across town in a condo and that is covered in the private investigative reports regarding the Hawaii addresses used. From your own statements, is there anything that Soetoro/Obama and/or his mother didn’t lie about? According to you, they put down any address; they lied to get Soetoro/Obama in school, etc. etc. etc. And, you wonder why we are questioning Soetoro/Obama? You’ve answered your own questions.
“The point is that the notices was sent out by the government of Hawaii for births in Hawaii…” Umm what proof do you have of that? Anyone can call up any newspaper and say I just had a baby, named Jane Doe, etc. etc. etc birth announcements are NOT verified.
“…The notices proved that Obama was born at the date on the certification…” Wrong, doesn’t prove anything, anyone could have called in the birth announcement – means nothing.
…”so there could not be any form of delayed or Hawaiian birth certificate (which required substantial delays)…” Wrong again, read my response to badfiction above.
“…And Hawaii did not allow a foreign birth to be filed in Hawaii in 1961…” Wrong again, a parent could report the birth, like you said Smrsstrauss, people lie.
A witness being told of Soetoro/Obama’s birth? Oh please Smrsstrauss, that is complete hearsay information and no verification. I guess, in Hawaii people just ran around telling others of births? Give me a break. If Soetoro/Obama was born in a hospital, he would have a Certificate of Live Birth and not a Certification of Live Birth.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE REGURGITATED HERE IS CLEAR; FOR EVEN A CHILD TO SEE- AS NOTHING MORE THAN GAMESMANSHIP SOMETIMES CLEVERLY PUT INTO EFFECT BUT MORE OFTEN CLUMSILY SO—ALL DONE WITH THE INTEREST IN MIND TO AVOID DISCLOSING THE RECORD —WHICH WOULD LIKELY SHED LIGHT ON WHAT REALLY “WENT DOWN” BACK IN AUGUST OF 1961 YOU NEED TO GO BACK OVER ALL OF THE CRAP YOU POSTED HERE AND READ IT CAREFULLY THEN EMPLOY SOME GENUINE CRITICAL THINKING CONSPIRATORIAL MINDEDNESS NEEDN’T COME INTO PLAY JUST LET ‘COMMON SENSE’ RULE THE DAY
Re: “My point is and was if the Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth is not sufficient to prove Hawaiian Heritage, then why should “we the people” accept an image of a Certification of Live Birth as constitutional eligibility to serve as United States President?”
First DHHL, like all the other departments in Hawaii, accepts the Certification of Live Birth as proof of birth in Hawaii, and the US State Department accepts it as proof of birth in the USA. Second, because DHHL is attempting to prove Hawaiian racial background. Proof of birth in the USA does not prove Hawaiian racial background.
The DHHL handbook was posted in the Response Part 2. You obviously didn’t read it.
Re: “Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government.”
The logic of this follows this concept. The law of New Jersey does not allow someone to drive at more than 65 miles an hour. George drove in New Jersey. Therefore, George must have driven at 65 miles an hour or less.
Of course this is not true. George could have driven faster than 65 miles an hour illegally, and it was possible to attend public school in Indonesia illegally. As to the idea that the Indonesian authorities verified regularly or at all, to accept this is to accept a governments’ claim to be efficient. In this case, it was a government that was known to be corrupt. So, even if it did check regularly (and it is highly unlikely because not only was it corrupt, it was lazy and sloppy), when an illegal registration was found, all that the families involved had to do was to bribe the right people.
And, both the US State Department and the Indonesian government have said that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
The State Department has NEVER stated any such thing; the State Department has NEVER filed anything with the Court; The State Department has NEVER signed anything; has NEVER said anything; has NEVER confirmed anything.
Your speaking of general denials, affirmative defenses, which is all part of litigation, you always make general denials and assert affirmative defenses when you are sued. – your talking of an Answer to a Lawsuit which is all standard, the State Department had nothing to do with this Answer and the Answer proves NOTHING. The Ford Case I cited in the previous threads, also asserted general denials and affirmative defenses. Guess what, come trial they lost and judgment was issued against them for $43 Million dollars, why? Because they could not prove their general denials and/or affirmative defenses.
Smrsstrauss, I’m not answering these same ridiculous statements of yours anymore. This is about the 10th time, I have explained this out and you continue raising the same thing. If your here to discuss the issues, that is one thing. But from your post, you are here only to give false information, confuse the reader and harass.
DOES THIS FOOL REALLY THINK HE’S CONVINCING ANYONE WITH THIS DRIVEL? FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE BY THE LOOKS OF IT, HE DOESN’T EVEN APPEAR TO BE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF WINNING HIMSELF OVER. THE MORE HE POSTS THE DEEPER HE DIGS THE HOLE. IT WOULD BE AMUSING TO OBSERVE IF ONLY IT WEREN’T SO FRIGHTENING OBSCURANTISTS LIKE THIS , I FEAR, ARE IN THE MAJORITY. WHY? I JUST CANNOT FATHOM. THE FOUNDERS/FRAMERS GAVE SO MUCH SO THAT CLOWNS LIKE THIS COULD THRIVE AND NOW THEY OCCUPY THEIR TIME DENIGRATING, DIMINISHING & DEMEANING OUR FOREFATHERS ESSENTIALLY, TELLING THEM TO TAKE THE CONSTITUTION THEY SO PAINSTAKINGLY CRAFTED AND THE REPUBLIC IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH TO GUIDE & DIRECTS- AND GO SHOVE IT
Note: All “ObamaFiles” says is:
“Obama’s half-sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro, was born on August 15, 1970, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Anna registered her birth as “born in Honolulu” shortly after her birth, as well. Maya would have a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB), just like the one Obama posted on the Internet.”
No proof of that, and I will point out that while Hawaii provided Leo Donofrio with the birth index data for Barack Obama, they also did say that there was no record for Maya Soetoro.
The claim that Maya’s name was found on Obama’s COLB (which seems to have started the claim she had a Hawaiian COLB) came from TechDude in August of 2008.
http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2008/08/obamas-birth-certificate—fake-or-myth-part-6—and-final.html
http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2008/08/the-cult-of-the-colb—updates-about-the-birth-certificate-claims.html
http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2008/08/where-in-the-world-is-techdude-1.html
Berg referred to it in his original lawsuit. It’s in his “Memorandum in support of temporary restraining order”, from 21 August 2008
The audio I cited was the one originally provided to Jeff at “America’s First”. He was given it by Berg himself.
So it’s hardly unknown origin.
Slight correction, I meant “America’s Right”, not “America’s First” My bad.
The credibility in the notion that parents lied to get Obama into an Indonesian schools holds just as much credibility that the parents lied about Obama being born in Hawaii. So if we are to accept this to be true, then we can surely accept that Obama was born in Kenya and the parents lied stating he was born in Hawaii to get him Obama US citizenship.
Why US Citizenship – For the benefits.
No one had any idea that little Obama would grow up and become the POTUS and this would become an issue.
We know some way some how Obama became an Indonesian citizen. His school record stated such. That’s a cold hard fact unless hard evidence can be shown that the parents really did lie.
The school record is an unverified document filled out by an unknown person with information provided by a different unknown person.
What exactly about it would convince you that any information on it is a “fact?”
The school record was verified by Inside Edition.
One of the problems with Obama’s COLB is that we do not know the derivative of it. Is Obama’s birth based a hospital birth? We don’t know. It is very possible that the derivative is nothing more than a statement from grandmother who said he was born at home with no witnesses. In 1961, this was very possible and easy for the grandmother to have done this. The Hawaiian officals can make all that statements they want about Obama being born in Hawaii but their statements are meaningless because we don’t know how they are being derived. Every attempt to reveal their derivations has failed.
Obama has yet to show some proof that conclusively shows he was born in Hawaii.
A record or a document with a known doctor’s signature showing Obama was born in a known Hawaiin hospital would be sufficient proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.
But, until the derivative of Obama’s COLB is revealed, it can’t proven that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Now under ordinary circumstances the COLB would be fine for anyone and it would stop there.
But there are just too many questions, loose ends and circumstancial evidence that cast doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.
We need more and await more….
Below is media clip that explains this and shows how the Birth Announcment might have been generated. While this theory is yet to be proven or disproven, it still has merit until the derivative of Obama’s COLB is revealed:
OBama – How he got his birth announcement in the paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQHNMlitpY
If the audio recording of the Shuhudia interview variously published is a “fake”, then I am sure that Phil Berg would do everyone a great service by providing the “true version”.
The transcription of the tape by Greg Doudna that is on my site is accurate insofar as the underlying audio transcript is correct (which I fully believe is the case, having obtained it many months ago). I would suggest that anyone with doubts take the time to listen to the tape themselves and read the transcript, rather than taking anyone’s word for what it says and how they characterize it. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/sarah-obama-speaks/
I should point out that “Shuhudia” is a fake name, and the so-called affidavit is actually anonymous.
How can you say your transcription you link to is accurate when it states unintelligable and voice in background to the most crucial point of the telephone interview? That actually tells me, you don’t know.
Obama Conspiracy,
Not sure where you obtained the “supposed” tape from, but I can tell you right now that is not the name of our file. Our file has never been named “sarah-obama-speaks”. Audio tapes get altered, when they are floating around the internet. We do not know what tape you used, where you got it from, but again, it is not our file name.
Don’t know who your transcriber is either, not sure if they really speak Swahili, and if we cannot hear parts on the tape, please explain how your transcriber was able too. And, please explain why your transcriber was accrediting the stamements regarding Hawaii to Sarah Obama. Sarah Obaam never said that, it was her grandson attempting to cover up for Sarah Obama telling of Soetoro/Obama’s real birth place.
[...] Berg’s web site, ObamaCrimes.com has responded in articles including this response to Part 3. In that response, questions are raised about the audio transcript of the interview with Sarah [...]
Re: “Maya would have a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB), just like the one Obama posted on the Internet.”
Maya does NOT have a COLB. This was proven by Leo, who found out that she does not have a Hawaiian birth file at all. Obama does, and it shows that he was born in Hawaii. At the time that he was born it was not allowed to register a foreign birth in Hawaii.
Smoking guns?
1) Kenya immigration records
2) East African Airways records
3) US Passport records
4) US customs forms
5) Heathrow hotel records
Re: “His school record stated such. That’s a cold hard fact unless hard evidence can be shown that the parents really did lie.”
You accept an unsigned application to a foreign school as proof of citizenship in that country when the US State Department says that he was never a citizen of Indonesia and the Indonesian government says that he was never a citizen of Indonesia?
As for having to show that his parents DID lie. No, all we have to do is show that parents do lie.
Then explain the divorce papers.
The school record was video taped in the book at the actual public school. Soetoro/Obama admitted to attending that school. Soetoro/Obama’s friends in Indonesia that went to school with him stated they did not know who “Barack Obama” was that was not his name.
Funny how you claim the parents lied only when it suits you and your argument. Oh my!
And, let me guess, Soetoro/Obama would never lie, even though he was raised by such liars, according to you. ROFLMAO
Soetoro WAS Obama’s stepfather. The lawyers simply included Obama, the stepson, along with Maya, the real daughter, when the wrote the document. The purpose of the document was to declare that Soetoro had no custody over Maya and that he had no custody over Obama either.
Since Obama was not Soetoro’s son, and since he was not adopted (which the divorce document would have said, if it had occurred), Soetoro never had the right to custody over Obama.
But, for the purposes of absolute certainty, the lawyers wrote a document that made him relinquish custody of every child that was in the household.
There are, as you have acknowledged, no legal documents showing that Obama was adopted by Soetoro, and the US State Department has denied in the same legal filing in which it denied that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia that Obama was ever adopted.
Smrsstrauss,
That is not how divorces are handled. You are Wrong again. Oh wait, let me guess, they lied, right?
In a divorce you only list the children of the marriage, not step children. Stanley Ann Dunham signed the Divorce papers where it states “two children of the marriage, one under the age of 18 and one over the age of 18″. In addition, Stanley Ann waived all child support.
The Divorce was handled in Hawaii and follows the Family Code. Your assertions fail again.
You wrote: “Stanley Ann Dunham signed the Divorce papers where it states ‘two children of the marriage, one under the age of 18 and one over the age of 18′.”
That statement cannot be found anywhere on the divorce papers. Your quotation is fake.
Page 1 line 3 of the divorce paper posted in the above article says it.
The State Department could be lying. Anyway, the State Department tries to deny it even though we have fingerprints (The School Record) from the scene of the crime.
People have to remember that Obama is not the only enemy. DOJ and the State Deapartment are enemies to the truth as well. Since both agencies are controlled by the Obama administration. I would take with a grain of salt any assertion they make. The solution is for Discovery to be allowed and allow lawyers to see for themselves what such records may reveal.
People also don’t realize that there is a highly coordinated effort to keep any topic surrounding the eligiblity issue from being reported by the MSM. This concerns mostly big new networks such as Foxnews, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. We all saw what happen when Lou Dobbs tried to push the envelope. He was fired (resigned) and was shot at. When one hears Glenn Beck or Bill Oreilly condemn the Birthers, that is actually not them talking. That is Foxnews talking.
Unfortunately James that is true. You pointed that out very well, thank you. They do not want the truth out.
Re: “So if we are to accept this to be true, then we can surely accept that Obama was born in Kenya and the parents lied stating he was born in Hawaii to get him Obama US citizenship.”
For him to be born in Kenya, or for anyone to be born in Kenya, and to get to the USA without a US travel document is close to impossible. A US travel document means either a US visa on a foreign passport, in this case a British passport, or the inclusion of Obama on his mother’s US passport while she was in Kenya, or the issue of a US passport to Obama while he was in Kenya.
Without one of those we would not have allowed a Kenyan-born child into the USA. If Obama were born in Kenya, there would have to be an application for one of these documents, which would still be on file, and would have been found by now. In addition, there are no Kenyan official documents, and the officials in Hawaii state categorically that Obama was born in Hawaii.
The US State Department was under the Republicans until January 20, 2009, and if there were a shred of evidence that he was born in Kenya or had become a citizen of Indonesia, it would have published either fact.
Re Glen Beck and Bill Oreilly being Fox News: Don’t forget Ann Coulter. She doesn’t think highly of birthers either, and neither does the National Review.
Re: “it even though we have fingerprints (The School Record) from the scene of the crime.”
That is an UNSIGNED DOCUMENT. It is meaningless.
Not so Smrsstrauss. In the early sixties, you traveled on a family passport, we already verified this. Soetoro/Obama would have traveled on Stanley Ann’s passport or Barack, Sr.’s passport.
Whether the Republicans were aware are not is not the issue. My opinion, they were fully aware and for whatever reason they wanted Soetoro/Obama in office.
What does Glen Beck, Bill O’Reilly and/or Ann Coulter have to do with it? It doesn’t solve anything for me, and I’m sure for others, if they like folks questions Soetoro/Obama or not.
The school record was located in the school’s book as required pursuant to the School’s procedures. Soetoro/Obama admitted to attending the school; kids in Indonesia he went to school were interviewed by Inside Edition and stated they did not know the name Barack Obama, etc. etc. etc. And, the divorce speaks for itself, maybe you should contact a family lawyer Smrsstrauss and verify the information yourself.
That is very correct about family passports. When my dad was stationed in Germany in late 1959 – 62, my baby sister and I traveled on our mom’s passport.
The following is from an Obscurantist’s post above:
“Re Glen Beck and Bill Oreilly being Fox News: Don’t forget Ann Coulter. She doesn’t think highly of birthers either, and neither does the National Review.”
reply:If there is one thing that I have learned through having had to endure this national nightmare -it is that these blow-hards and supposed learned publications(see above) rely more heavily that one might ever have suspected for an audience- among those who profess to holding positions most diametrically opposed to those they pretend to espouse viewership/readership/ and listeners drawn from the ranks of the enemy, indeed if not for all the so-called progressives, liberals, obscurantists, socialists etc tuning these fools in they wouldn’t be able to continue to finance their cushy life-styles
The Becks, Coulters and O’Sillys of the world ,whole-heartedly thank you
For example, I , a supposed “birther” (whatever the hell that is), had never even heard of this retard , “Beck” before the whole B.O. Jr mess and had long ago dismissed O’Reilly as the buffoon that he is. Hypocrites and phonies all. Saw this Coulter clown a couple of times on Bill Maher’s sickening platform and was NOT impressed She may have been willing to go places or say things that others were not but ultimately when “push came to shove”; she chose her bank account(short-sighted self interest)over the Constitution
Nary a one of them it would appear is capable of defining the word; “natural” so easy, even an eleven year-old can do it.
Re: “In a divorce you only list the children of the marriage, not step children.”
Have you actually consulted a divorce lawyer?
This site says it is run by a Law Office.
Done better, I worked for a family law specialist.
Here is the reason that Obama needs to substantially prove to the people that he has met the Constitution’s natural born citizen requirement to be President:
The President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President’s. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation’s most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military’s nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, “The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.” (copied with permission from http://birther.com)
Robert, thank you. Very well said.
Re: “This site says it’s run by a law office.” First, did you have the authenticity of the divorce documents checked by a document expert? After all, they could be forged. Second, have you had a divorce lawyer comment on this. If so, please list the name of his firm.
Third, you are speculating. You are speculating that some divorce lawyer would not list both children even though only one of them was a child of both parents as given to Stanley for custody. If some divorce lawyers would have listed the step-son along when the real daughter, you lose.
Forth, the divorce document itself does not say that Obama was adopted, which it would if (1) a competent divorce lawyer were writing the document and (2) he WERE adopted.
Fifth, adoptions in Indonesia are done by courts, but no one has shown any document that indicates that Obama was adopted.
Sixth, the US State Department says that Obama was never adopted.
Smrstrauss, you amaze me. Your famous words, forgery, they lied, etc. etc. etc.
The law is the law. There are rules of the court, there are state laws, there are local rules, etc. etc. etc you do not list step children as “children of the marriage”. Now, lets get this straight, you are saying they could be forged? We obtained ours from a private investigator in Hawaii, they are certified copies directly from the Court and we have the receipts. Forged, NO way. The children were listed as “children of the marriage” not for custody reasons. If it were listed for custody reasons, only Maya would have been mentioned as she was the only minor.
No Smrsstrauss, take your spin elsewhere. The worst of lawyers would not list 2 children of the marriage if that were not the case. Moreover, the divorce papers would not list the adoption.
SMRSSTRAUSS, do your research. Not that you would be honest, but I already told you above, I’m tired of the same game of yours. If we say it is dark outside, you will argue it is light. You are simply here attempting to confuse people with your inaccurate mumble jumbo.
The State Department has not said anything about Soetoro/Obama, they have not denied anything, they have not said anything. I warned you about this also.
WOW! GET A LOAD OF THIS!!!
Listen to the highly coordinated effort by the Main Stream Media to Cover any questions about Obama’s eligiblity.
part 1 http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour1Aug0709.mp3
part 2 http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour2Aug0709.mp3
part 3 http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour3Aug0709.mp3
It’s a Cover up!!!!
Obama might not have been necessarily been adopted but was legally aknowledged by the step-father. Either process would full into Berg’s case about Obama receiving Indonesian citizenship.
That could one reason why Obama is listed as one of the children of Lolo and Stanley; He wasn’t adopted but Lolo went through a legal process to acknowledge him that Obama was his son in the marriage.
Here is one possible theory on the Birth Announcement. Hasn’t been proven nor disproven. Only the derivative of Obama’s COLB can clear it up:
OBama – How he got his birth announcement in the paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQHNMlitpY
As for the eyewitness account…it isn’t credible. It’s hearsay.
We still don’t have any eyewitness who who present around the birth. No nurse, no staff, no orderly, and no doctor. The lady who gave birth to the twins the next day doesn’t remember Stanley being there.
Obama is only 48 years old. It’s hard to believe that any or all eyewitnesses to his birth would be dead
How do you know he is 48 years old?
smrstrauss3
Have you gotten a signature on any of those State Department claims? Just wondering as you keep stating there is no signature but I don’t see a signature or any document that you can provide that shows the statements you claim to have been made by the State Department or any other Government Agency. Maybe because if they did then it would lead to further false claims. Next time you quote the State Department or anyone else of authority please provide your source for these claims as well as their contact information. I will be happy to call and verify it with them.
You seem to think you know it all about statements and documents so lets see what you have. I think you can’t do it. School Records here in the United States do not have signatures always on them either. I had class schedules with no signature, report card with no signature, notes to go home with no signature or even the school name on it as letter head so therefor your assertion of a signature needed is bull.
Take yourself over to fightthesmears or fakecheck and see if they still want you employed with them and if your not working for them you may want to ask for a job so Barry can count you as a job created.
Personally I hope you get moved to moderation on this board because frankly you are a waste of valuable time. You fail to comprehend what is is you read, so do us a favor and go to the Library and spend your time with a Third Grade reader book and maybe in a few years you might get it.
count as jobs created??? So right on!…hilarious! Thanks for making my day.
Re: “but Lolo went through a legal process to acknowledge him that Obama was his son in the marriage.”
Mere speculation. NO document to show it.
Moreover, how could it possibly have any effect on Indonesian citizenship if there is no document that could be used?
the school record clearly shows it and the laws in Indonesia substantiate it.
Marina,
Linda Starr has nothing to do with this site. This is a brand new site. Linda Starr is a named defendent in a lawsuit brought by the Law Offices of Philip J. Berg. Some of that suit has much to do with how the old site was handled. You are not banned here and now. That old site is currently water under the bridge. The Law Offices, whom I just checked with, have never heard of you.
Leave it at that and start anew.
Thank you.
Re: “the school record clearly shows it and the laws in Indonesia substantiate it.”
It is possible to lie on a school record, particularly an unsigned school record, particularly in a country that was very corrupt.
And it is possible to break the law, particularly in a country that was very corrupt.
Re: “It was a police state Marina.”
But it was a terribly inefficient police state. No one should assume that because they had a law they enforced the law. A little like Prohibition, I think.
Re: “In the early sixties, you traveled on a family passport, we already verified this. ”
To be sure. I did myself, on my mother’s passport. However, you had to be included on your mother’s passport for that to work. A woman could not just say: “This is my child” and that would be sufficient. So, if a child were born in the USA, the State Department would require a birth certificate of the child.
If the child were born outside of the USA, the State Department would require a birth certificate of the child in that place, and of course the parents would have to apply for the change to his mothers passport in that place. Such things would be filed in the records of the State Department, and if they existed, they would have been found by now. This is additional proof that Obama was not born in Kenya, because there is no such US document.
If he had traveled on his father’s passport, he would have needed a US visa on that passport, and that also would have had to have been applied for, and the application would have been found by now.
This, in addition to the Kenyan grandmother NOT saying that he was born in Kenya (she said that he was born in Hawaii) and the absence of a document from Kenya (except for forged documents) and the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the confirmation of the two officials in Hawaii, demolishes the “born in Kenya” myth.
B.O. JR CLAIMS , NON-IMMIGRANT, FOREIGNER, B.OBAMA SR FOR HIS FATHER
THIS MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR JR TO BE AN ARTICLE II U.S. NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
NO FOREIGN ATTACHMENT IN THIS
NATION’S STRONG CHIEF EXECUTIVE
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
Re: “The State Department has not said anything about Soetoro/Obama, they have not denied anything, they have not said anything. I warned you about this also.”
Here (http://www.scribd.com/full/17508463?access_key=key-1vg7c228ugapeqcnkki6) is the legal filing in which the US State Department and the Department of Homeland Security say that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia and that he was never adopted. Denials appear at 37 (denies that Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia), 38 (denies that Soetoro was Obama’s father ‘by birth or adoption), 39 (denies Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia), 40(denies Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia), 44 (denies that Soetoro was Obama’s father ‘by birth or adoption), 48 (denies Indonesia citizenship), 50 (ditto), 51 (ditto), 54 (ditto), etc.
In addition, the Indonesian government is delighted to tell anyone who asks that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia. I called the embassy, and they told me. Anyone who wants to can call and check.
RE:smrstrauss3 says:
January 15, 2010 at 12:20 pmRe: “The State Department has not said anything about Soetoro/Obama, they have not denied anything, they have not said anything. I warned you about this also.”
Here (http://www.scribd.com/full/17508463?access_key=key-1vg7c228ugapeqcnkki6) is the legal filing in which the US State Department and the Department of Homeland Security say that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia and that he was never adopted.
during this short time in the Obama / Soetoro administration to take a page from you smrstrauss3 the Obama / Soetoro administration and the State Department and Homeland Security could simply lie about what they know. As is well documented with the current Health Care Bill Obama / Soetoro lied to the people about transparancy in Government thus telling us if they would lie about something that simple then why would they not lie about something even more complicated? The Government is currupt from top to bottom with this group and many of them have violated laws and still in a position, Tax cheat Timmy comes to mind. So Simply because they fail to investigate and say they have no knowledge or information simply to me makes it infactuall. Legal document or not you can simply parse the words when you never investigate to say you have no knowlegde or information. The school records show’s he was there.
Re: “the State Department and Homeland Security could simply lie about what they know.”
What we have in the Indonesia situation is BOTH the US State Department and Indonesia saying that Obama was never a citizen, AND no evidence of any kind that Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen. Moreover, let me point out to you that the State Department was under the Republicans until Januaary 20 2009, and so if there were any evidence that Obama were an Indonesian citizen they had plenty of time before the election and plenty of time after the election to say that he was an Indonesian citizen.
Though I did not vote for Obama I shared in the delight of those so proud that Martin Luther King’s dream of seeing a black man become POTUS. That was a phenominal milestone! I was proud of our nation that we had come so far to overcome the racial issue. Though he ran as someone that would close that divide bringing Americans together he has only succeeded in dividing us more.Even with Keyes and Rev. Manning being on board and other blacks if you question Obama you are labeled a “racist”. On “birthers” in wikipedia they make a gross generalization that all that question Obama’s citizenship are mostly white Southerners with the implication that being a white Southerner automatically makes you a racist.
I was born when my parents were in their 40’s. My parents grew up on farms on the NC/SC border and went thru the Great Depression Era.Southern rural people were not racist. In the South there was a big divide in “class” between the urban and the rural people in the South. The rural people relied on one another. My childhood also was spent on a farm with the nearest people to us was one black family that lived deep in the woods. Those were the kids I played with. We took their laundry with ours to a laundrymat in town on rainy days because there was a sign “White Only”. That was the only thing I remember in my childhood that flagged that there was any difference whatsoever in them. My parents never raised me with any superior attitude regarding our neighbors. We worked together, ate together, played together and cared for one another. The first prejudice I ever encountered was right after Martin Luther King’s death when I went on a bus in Durham, NC that was filled with blacks and I was treated with hatred and person after person refused to let me sit down until someone tripped me in the aisle and some sweet lady lifted me up and patted the seat next to her for me to sit with her. So I had spent 18 years of my life as a Southern white female never realizing that there was even a racial problem.
I am not a racist. I do not know who Obama really is and what I do know of him I don’t like and I wholeheartedly do not like his policies, his agenda. I want him and all his far left cronies out of office and if the controversy of his legitimate right to hold that office could be proven to be something that can oust him as President I am on board. It seems the only thing that will stop him from making this country like Cuba before his four years is out. So call me a crazy birther but what is really crazy is anyone in our nation being on board with SPENDING AND BORROWING “Trillions” of dollars and allowing him “time” to prove his policies work. My bank will not let me wait to “prove” money loaned to me wil work…We cannot allow this man to continue on his present path until we are literally a third world country.
THAT IS CRAZY!
Birth Certificates can be lied on. I checked mine and is says I was “Legitement”. However I can prove that false. I was Born Seven Months before my Parents were Married, according to their Marriage License, also by my Mothers Admission before her Death. I now have something else to think about. However it does list my Fathers Employment etc, Race which is stated as White==my Father was over Three Quarters Ojibwa, which makes me almost Half Ojibwa according to Ojibwa Heritage Rules, and that I can Prove.
I fail to see how Barry always claims to be Black when he is a Mulato–socially accepted term by the Negro community.
I’m not a Racist, I grew up in a Project area of North Minneapolis Minnesota, which was Predmently Black. I had many Black freinds. We all got along, except a couple of them,most of the time. The Riots that occured in 1965-66 seperated all that. To prove I’m not a Racist, I Don’t like Barrys White Half either.
Check Alan Keyes interview from the Illinois Senate Race wjth Barry.
The recent ruling by the SCOTUS on campaign finance may signal a change in the Berg Cases ie they may want to examine the Documentation more closely. I hope so.
Keep trying people, this may be the Year.
http://www.resistnet.com/group/lonestarpatriots/forum/topics/obama-admits-being-born-in?xg_source=activity
Please review the information in this link regaring B. Hussein Obama’s admission of being foreign born and post a comment on your webiste.
Kevin P. Short
Muncie, Indiana
Has anyone thought to speak with the US consulate at the time of Obamas living there in the 60’s. Here’s a hint, he’s still alive, in his 80’s, and lives in Northern VA. Oh, and it’s not me.
smrstrauss3 gives every indication of being what is commonly termed “an internet troll” and conversely, should be ignored as such.
Will we have any recourse once the usurper is out of office?
Has precedent been written in stone now that a person with dual citizenship has been sworn into office by the Chief Justice Roberts?
Can a person born of one American parent/Saudi parent be President in the future because they were born here while their parents were on vacation, gaming at the Borgata, attending a UN conference or sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom as a payback, ~ just a few examples of a temporary visit, so long as they were born in America?
Is the POTUS Constitutional qualification to be a Natural Born Citizen, via soil/blood now in the dumpster of America’s melting pot?
If Barry Soetero traveled to Pakistan in 1981 as he has bragged, is it just that he is now known by another name as POTUS?
Ruby,
Unfortunately, the law is that. If you are born on U.S. soil, you are a U.S. “natural” born citizen. Doesn’t matter what citizenship status your parents are. There are bills that have been submitted to have the laws changed to make it that in order to be a U.S. “natural” born citizen at least one parent must be a citizen. However, to date, the bill has not passed yet.
Wrong! To be a natural born citizen you must be born to American citizen”S” Both parents MUST be US citizens. He may or may not be a citizen, but he can not be a natural born citizen as his father was not a US citizen.
This video will help you understand this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI&feature=PlayList&p=5F6C07BD77439646&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=50
Tom,
With all due respect, I beg to differ. The laws have been changed. Vattel has been over-written. You cannot use law that has been over-turned and unfortunately that is what has been happening. We must use current law, correct law, and follow the rules of law to ever have a chance at being heard. Our courts will throw out anything used that does not have current (good) law to back it.
b.o.–it is said did not have a u.s. passport until he went into the u.s. senate.. it is claimed he did not register for the selective service until recently and those papers show evidence of tampering and falsification. his autobiography, ghost written by his comrade bill ayers never mentions his place of birth.. do you not find that strange? i read loads of biographies and autobiographies and always there is mention of date and physical location of the birth. check out the kenya newspaper and you may find that grandma obama’s home has been designated as a shrine due to his kenyan birth and during b.o.’s ill. senate race –there was bragging of being born in kenya as it was felt it would be incentive for blacks to vote for him. what color was the passport jacket that was used for his pakistan travel? i know at the time the u.s. state dept frowned on or forbid u.s.. citizens to travel in pakistan. as young as he was –maybe he was radicalized there–who paid for that travel? i know he walks on water but you cannot get into the usa without a proper passport. his father b.o. sr was at the time of b.o’s birth a british national. i’ll almost bet the pakistan trip was made by using a passport with a maroon color jacket and not the navy blue jacket of a u.s. citizen. he and his cohorts are certainly making a mockery of our constitution and laws.
“There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.”
this is the smoking gun to my thesis that obama was selected very early to be president. this was not a fantasy joke but an ironic joke proleptically celebrating the occasion….it was realistic because forces in america would make it happen.
the ties to mochtar riady and the clintons was allegedly over campaign funds but my strong belief is that he was a liason between the soetoro camp and usa powers….perhaps prepping barry for his future assignment….
to me the indonesian citizenship case is solid, tight, and invincible….the real story of interest is why usa oligarchs wanted obama in power. was it just because he was so compromiseable that he would be their buttboy? why obama of all people? who were ann dunham and obama sr? why were they so important that one of their progeny would be appointed president?
the answer i believe lies in baby bush’s statement: the constitution is nothing but a goddamned piece of paper….and thus the oligarchs were announcing the end of the republic and constitution just as their opening act in murdering kennedy announced the end of elected presidents.
All of you continually beat around the fact? that Barry was not born in Kenya. but Hawaii. Did it ever occure to you that Barry was not an Article II American citizen, BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY WAS A BRITISH COMMONWEALTH SUBJECT BY DESCENT DUE TO B.H.OBAMA SR. HAVING BEEN BORN IN KENYA WHEN IT WAS A BRITISH COMMONWEALTH COLONY? That being the case, where he was born, Kenya, Honolulu, is moot, because he was actually a British Subject at birth, and nothing can change that.
FATHER; A “British Subject” born in Kenya while under the jurisdiction of British Empir. The father neverattempted to become a naturalized citizen of the US. He was in Hawaii on a temporary student vis. He returned to Kenya and became a Kenyan citizen when Kenya became an independent country.
MOTRHER; “Natural Born” US citizen because both of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth in the US.How her parents acquired their citizenship is irrelevant, as long as they were citizens when she was born.The trem “natural born citizen” was defined by Vattel in his legal treatise,”The Law of Narionsor Principles of Nateral Law”, and adopted by our Founderswhen they wrote the constitution, Specificallyand onlyin the Article II eligability clause for the President and Commander-in -Chief of the military and for Constitutional successors to the office.
CHILD; Born a dual “Citizen”. Born a British Subject through his fatherand which fact was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.HE IS ALSO A CITIZEN OF THE US IF HE WAS PHYSICALLY BORN IN HAWAII, NOT BORN ELSEWHERE AND FALSLLY REGESTERED AS BORN THERE AFTER THE FACT. He being a British Subject does not expire.
Once a Brit, always a Brit per British nationality law. The child does not meet the definition of a constitutional ArticII”natural
born Citizen because only one parent was a US citizen, when he was born. Our Founders intended to exclude dual-citizens from eligibility for the Presidency and Commander-in -Chief of our military as a “strong check” agains foreign influences on the person in the office.
CONCLUSION;While Obama may be a statutory US “Citizen”, Obama is NOT an Article II”natural born Citizen” to constitutional standards. Obama is NOT constitutionally elidgible toserve as President and Commander-in-Chiefof our military.
When Obama came to the US, he applied for and recieved a Fulbright Foundation Scholorship, and attended Occidental College. this information is documented, so how could he have done this, WHEN THIS PARTICULAR SCHOLORSHIP IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US CITIZENS, ONLY FOREIGN STUDENTS NEED APPLY.
And, if you look at it closely, B.H.O.II actually did not have da ual citizenship, because the law as written then so stated that for a parent to pass on their citizenship to their offspring, they had to have lived in the US for a period of 10 years from their 14th birthday, and Stanley Ann Dunham missed that by five years.
Steve, unfortunately the laws do not support what you are saying. They did at one time, but not as of today or last year. If you are born on U.S. soil, you are a “natural born” U.S. Citizen regardless of the citizenship status of your parents. This is why, we have so many anchor babies and this is also why there are current bills attempting to change the Nationality Laws concerning citizenship, if in fact born on U.S. soil, or the territories thereof.
Moreover, there has been a rumor regarding the Fulbright scholarship, but to date, that is all it has been – rumor. There was a fake article going around, AP never wrote or produced the article. Yes, the AP article was manufactured and put out by an Attorney as an April Fools joke, we did not find this funny at all. You may wish to call the newspaper and attempt to verify the article, you won’t be able to. In addition, no records were ever obtained from Occidental, that too was part of the April fools joke.
At the time of Soetoro/Obama’s birth (1961), the ten (10) year requirement in the Nationality Act of 1940 did not apply to Soetoro/Obama, it had been over-written. You can read our briefs here on this site. The law at the time of Soetoro/Obama’s birth was five (5) years after the age of 14. However, you are correct, Soetoro/Obama being born in Kenya, Stanley Ann Dunham was not old enough to pass on U.S. “natural born” citizenship status, only “naturalized”. This is the law which applies to foreign births to one U.S. citizen and one foreign national.
Regardless of where Soetoro/Obama was born, he lost that citizenship status when he became a Citizen of Indonesia by the name of Barry Soetoro and his failure to reclaim any U.S. citizenshp status he may have once held. Hence, he is still Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian Citizen.
So what if you think my writings may be a little shady, they are not. And, no I have never written on this site before, because I have never been here before, BUT I DONT LIE. I DONT HAVE TO. ALMOST ALL OF THE INFORMATION I GET, I GET FROM 1 0F 3 SORCES. THE WASHINGTON TIMES,HUMAN EVENTS AND THE NEW AMERICAN All of which are conservative publications. You might do your self a favor and subscribe to them and get an education. Among other things I have learned from reading these publications is that the genius Obama spent $80,000.00 for a $10.00 birth certificate that he claims is his true birth certifaicate there is only one problem with it. An expert checked it out and found that it is one of these new laser type documents not available in 1960s. And while I’m at it, why is that genius paying lawyers in 12 states to hide and or seal any and all personal records of his? This all started out asking for his birth certificate, and now look where we are. why dont the American people just get up off of their dead a—s and demand that congress put him out of the White House and into the Big House. That’s where he and his wife belong. Instead the useful idiots of this country will let him finish his term, name a holiday for him and on certain weekends hold worship services for him .The America I know and grew up in is gone, it no longer exists, and I don’t know what country this is. I have lived on this planet for 73 years and I have never seen such dispicable acts commited by people who claim to be American. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t wash. I don’t recognize these people as Americans. If there were a better place or country to go to I would have left last week.
Paralegal, get your facts straight, go back to school. When Obama was born the laws as written did in fact apply to him, and he was indeed a British subject by descent from his father. To say that he was a n American citizen having been born in the US is ludicris. He was not an ANCHOR BABY OR A US CITIZEN. MY FACTS ARE CORRECT. And as far as this so called STORY about his going to Occidental College, that is proven fact, but Obama has worked tirelessly to have attorneys in 12 states, at a cost of millions of dollars to him to hide, seal and cover his ass so that no one will know that he is not a US citizen is also documented. If you need more proof, try talking to General Pelosi or Corporal Harry Reid and try to get them to admit that they knew and know that Obama confided to them that he was indeed an Indonesian citizen, and they allowed him to continue to run BECAUSE THEY WANTED A BLACK MAN FOR PRESIDENT, to lift up the standing of the Democratic Party, and that’s why 52,000,000 useful idiots voted for him, not because they believed his “HOPEY-CHANGEY BULLSHIT BUT BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK, PERIOD, END OF STORY. Obama was elected purely because he was black, nothing more.
They will not do anything too him..This is a plant, a planned person too be president, the people responsible have been wanting and planning this for a century. They hate the way America is (even though this country made them rich and powerful)and it will get a lot worse. If you speak out on issues like this you are categorized and made to be a complete moron. Regardless of what Mr. Berg does I dought it will have an impact. Our government is being controlled by some very powerful people to bring us into a new world society. They will get there way too….They are breaking the back of America. I look at it like this and have for about 8 years now…It’s like a cartoon I say when I was a kid..This guy was fighting an alligator and he got the alligator on his back and pinned him and the alligator struggled and struggled to get free, the more he struggled the man applied more pressure..then the alligator got tired and stopped and the man made boots out of him. That is how I see what our government is doing…They have us down and are applying more and more pressure to wear us out so we will get tired and stop struggling so they can kill what we stand for and turn our country into a carl marx country. Most of our government believes this way, Polosi, Clintons, reeds, obama’s mccains, you can pretty much name them…This thought process has been around for a hundred years or more and it will TRANSFORM this country and make it into the ideals that they have been wanting on for a hundred years…the only way to correct this is for us too take our country back and get rid of the current government, the constitution says for us to do this and if we DO NOT it will be our own fault…The IRS is in control now..the people that control them are self proclaimed communist!!!! This is worse than any of us know!!!
If all you have to do is lie and you can be a citizen of a country then hey I can be a frenchman or canadian or anyone I want to be.Gee it;s good to know that thegov. doesn:t check you that well. What idiot is trying to feed us this line of garbage. I saw the picture of barry in school in indonesia and I read their law. You are mandated to be a citizen to enroll in school.
Try this on someone that believes you.
[...] Army to Court Martial Lt. Col. Terry Lakin By Russell Wright NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Mark Murray reported that Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is being court martialed because he does not believe that Obama meets the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief. These NBC reporters write (and it take two of them), "…because he believes (incorrectly) that Obama wasn’t born in the United States." [...]
[...] Obama Crimes [...]
I am the administrator of this site. I just searched all the comments, pending and approved. You have never posted here before with your IP, email or username. There are none in spam either. I will take your comments as shady unless you can prove otherwise.
Marina,
You say you spoke to me, can you please tell me when, I’m assuming you mean by telephone. If it was via email, please inform me when and what email address as I ran the email address you have posted with your name on this site, and I never received any email, no picture, nothing from you. I haven’t even been on this site except brief in the evening all week. I don’t ban anyone and have not banned anyone. And, this is the first time I see you appearing on this site. I will also verify this with our Moderators, Administrator and webmaster.
Just to set facts straight, Soetoro/Obama was not the son of a U.S. diplomat and he did not reside in any well to do area. He attended school in Jakarta and yes, they did have a ban during that time. You may wish to ask your dad to verify it with Immigration and the police. It was a police state Marina.
I would appreciate if you would DESIST from using my name when I have not spoken to you, I don’t know who you are, and I certainly have NOT dealt with you before.
Admin – I posted since 2008 as Marina Lincoln at the old OC site and have been in contact with Lisa and the gone and not-lamented Linda “Starr” for over a year. Please re-check your records.
Admin,
I see in your reply where you said partly, “I will take your comments as shady unless you can prove otherwise.” If your reply is directed at me, I don’t understand what you meant. Please clarify for me. Besides, how can I “prove otherwise” that I’m not “shady”?
ZFHW
Not a problem. I am a concerned American and live down the Street from Attorney Berg.
Not a problem. I am a concerned American and live down the Street from Attorney Berg. I completely understand why you must be cautious.
i have questions and have researched the kenyan newspapers –his book the audacity of hope was not written by him and who better than his english prof. friend? i do pay attention to literary style. have you seen any papers he has written from columbia or harvard? who first started him out in the political arena? was it not the weather underground couple ayers and his wife who placed a bomb that murdered a policeman? ayers wealthy father got him off and bernadette dorn paid for her crimes and although educated as an atty could never practice law due to her felony conviction. i think my questions are thoughts that should be answered and since i am a world traveler, i think of questions others may not think of. i know george soros bankrolled much of his run for the presidency and wonder why b.o. spent a million dollars of campaign money to seal any and all of his past history. surely–he will publish presidential memoirs–will there be nothing of his early years? i am sure b.o. could lay all of these questions to rest by unsealing the records that folks are now questioning. at the rate he is going–he will be historically remembered as the worst president –worse even than jimmy carter. i am 75 years old and i fear for the united states and our way of life. it is up to you if you wish to supress the questions i have laid out.
Everything I have said here comes directly from an article Printed in The Washington TimesActually, It is apaid advertisement, paid for by: American people donating funds at Protect Our Liberty>org. in support of the Kerchner et al V Obama& Congress et al law suite. If you have a problem with this, feel free to contact The Washington Times and ask for back issues of their paper. You will find that Mr. Kirchner has been running these type ads for months on end. I merely used it to make a point
sorry didn:t see anywhere to sign up or sign in. Really not a shady person just wasn:t aware of having to sign up. I will do so if you show me where